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dray566
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Posts: 1489 |  Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 08:50 AM |
this sets the shirley sherrod story in historical context.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/opinion/25rich.html?ref=columnists
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RuffledFeathers
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Posts: 2316 | Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 11:13 AM |
But wait, there's more.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/real_sherrod_story_still_untol.html
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Posts: 3017 | Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 11:45 AM |
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I'll put it in context, she was once a bigot who based her allocation of federal funds accordingly, and now claims she doesn't do that any any longer. No more, no less. I have no idea why she would get up in front of a group of people and admit that. To be honest she should be fired if she ever practiced in a racist manner. I don't care if she does it any longer or not.
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42Dive
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Posts: 157 | Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 11:52 AM |
Gosh darn it, and I was all ready to nominate Sherrod for sainthood. Looks like in addition to an admitted racist past from which she has "grown", her "uplifting story" also includes profiteering from race-based lawsuits.
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dray566
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Posts: 1489 | Posted: Jul 31, 2010 - 01:44 PM |
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I'll put it in context, she was once a bigot who based her allocation of federal funds accordingly, and now claims she doesn't do that any any longer. No more, no less. I have no idea why she would get up in front of a group of people and admit that. To be honest she should be fired if she ever practiced in a racist manner. I don't care if she does it any longer or not. |
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you have you facts wrong again! did you read the article? your response indicates you didn't!
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dray566
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Posts: 1489 | Posted: Jul 31, 2010 - 01:50 PM |
the american thinker? you believe this drivel?
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CardsAllTheWay
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Posts: 1137 | Posted: Jul 31, 2010 - 09:55 PM |
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/real_sherrod_story_still_untol.html
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Gosh darn it, and I was all ready to nominate Sherrod for sainthood. Looks like in addition to an admitted racist past from which she has "grown", her "uplifting story" also includes profiteering from race-based lawsuits.
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the american thinker? you believe this drivel? |
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Dray you attack anyone who uses Fox News a topic starter or link reference. Just because you don't like the link doesn't mean you outright refuse to accept it. I take issue with the NYTimes being used but I still address the NYTimes as factual. It's just they're factual with a very liberal slant.
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Willo
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Posts: 1622 | Posted: Jul 31, 2010 - 10:13 PM |
I think putting American Thinker on the same journalistic level as The New York Times is a bit absurd.
Personally? I think the Obama administration is just hyper-sensitive about these kids of issues, and has a history of being quick to fire people without hearing all of the story, so this should come as no surprise.
Furthermore, here's the whole story, as I understand it:
- Sherrod's father is murdered by a white farmer over a minor dispute. Despite evidence and witnesses, an all-white Grand Jury refuses to indite, which happens at the time.
- Sherrod gains a position where she gives doesn't give the instant full support to a white farmer because of her history, and instead directs them to a lawyer.
- She discovers the lawyer isn't helping the couple, and realizes the previous error in her ways. She helps out the couple with all her force and maintains a friendship with them to this day.
- She tells her uplifting story to the NAACP.
- An online blogger uses video out of context which he has sat on for years because of a personal vested interest in controlling the news cycle.
- Without seeing the whole video, the woman is fired from her job and condemned by the NAACP. (How the hell did the NAACP not just, I dunno, call some of the members there and see what actually happened? I don't know).
- The whole video comes out, and it's revealed that she's actually has a fantastic story about overcoming racism.
- Certain factions on the right, feeling that they are being painted in a negative light for dragging a good woman's name in the mud are inventing new reasons to dislike her, so they can justify their previously held position, because it's easier to convince yourself of something you already believe with fake evidence then actually admit you made a mistake.
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RuffledFeathers
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Posts: 2316 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 07:38 AM |
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Me too. AT is head and shoulders above the NYT. AT is all opinion; it does not pretend to be news. The Times is mostly all opinion, not just on the opinion page.
Willo, you did leave out the main part of the AT piece, namely the Sherrod's suing the USDA and receiving millions of taxpayer money and Mr. Sherrod's very racist remarks. And that is "the rest of ther story".
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Posts: 3017 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 08:25 AM |
Really Willo, it "happens all the time".
" Sherrod gains a position where she gives doesn't give the instant full support to a white farmer because of her history, and instead directs them to a lawyer."
That's called racism Willo.
"- She discovers the lawyer isn't helping the couple, and realizes the previous error in her ways. She helps out the couple with all her force and maintains a friendship with them to this day."
Oh well isn't that special, of course she only gave the single example and didn't mention the dozens of other white farmers she refused to have a professional relationship with.
"She tells her uplifting story to the NAACP."
It was so uplifting and well received by the NAACP they completely forgot the context and called for her firing.
"An online blogger uses video out of context which he has sat on for years because of a personal vested interest in controlling the news cycle."
Interesting his blog has been around for a little over a year yet he "controls the news cycle".
Yeah I guess we should all hold bloggers to higher standards than the NAACP and the White House who called for her termination.
"Without seeing the whole video, the woman is fired from her job and condemned by the NAACP. (How the hell did the NAACP not just, I dunno, call some of the members there and see what actually happened? I don't know)."
It seems to me they have multiple reasons for firing her, of course until it appears on CBS you won't understand.
-" The whole video comes out, and it's revealed that she's actually has a fantastic story about overcoming racism."
Oh yeah it's fantastic and heartwarming, I have been weeping for her.
"Certain factions on the right, feeling that they are being painted in a negative light for dragging a good woman's name in the mud are inventing new reasons to dislike her, so they can justify their previously held position, because it's easier to convince yourself of something you already believe with fake evidence then actually admit you made a mistake."
Oh really what factions ? I just love how you hold a blogger to higher standards than you hold the White House, the NAACP or Ms. Sherrod on this matter. Typical left wing.
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Willo
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Posts: 1622 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 08:49 AM |
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| Really Willo, it "happens all the time".
" Sherrod gains a position where she gives doesn't give the instant full support to a white farmer because of her history, and instead directs them to a lawyer."
That's called racism Willo. |
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*sigh* And she overcame it. Nice how you left out the whole story about why she was racist, by the way.
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Oh well isn't that special, of course she only gave the single example and didn't mention the dozens of other white farmers she refused to have a professional relationship with. |
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Has any reputable institution published any example of this actually happening, or are you just making stuff up? The incident was early, very early, in her career.
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It was so uplifting and well received by the NAACP they completely forgot the context and called for her firing.
"An online blogger uses video out of context which he has sat on for years because of a personal vested interest in controlling the news cycle."
Interesting his blog has been around for a little over a year yet he "controls the news cycle".
Yeah I guess we should all hold bloggers to higher standards than the NAACP and the White House who called for her termination. |
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And nice of you to cut out the part where I call out the NAACP for a specific brand of stupidity for their role in this. Most failures of this magnitude are a failure of many, not a failure of one. First off, the NAACP and the White House should have been more than a little more diligent, more so because the video was posted by a right wing blogger who has said publicly that he wants to destroy the left and ha a history of posting misleading and potentially libelous videos. However, that does not give the blogger free reign to commit libel.
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It seems to me they have multiple reasons for firing her, of course until it appears on CBS you won't understand.
-" The whole video comes out, and it's revealed that she's actually has a fantastic story about overcoming racism."
Oh yeah it's fantastic and heartwarming, I have been weeping for her.
"Certain factions on the right, feeling that they are being painted in a negative light for dragging a good woman's name in the mud are inventing new reasons to dislike her, so they can justify their previously held position, because it's easier to convince yourself of something you already believe with fake evidence then actually admit you made a mistake."
Oh really what factions ? I just love how you hold a blogger to higher standards than you hold the White House, the NAACP or Ms. Sherrod on this matter. Typical left wing. |
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I'm sorry for holding bloggers to traditional journalism standards of research. I realize that occasionally makes it hard for right wing bloggers to do their job of making the left look foolish.
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Willo
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Posts: 1622 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 08:53 AM |
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Me too. AT is head and shoulders above the NYT. AT is all opinion; it does not pretend to be news. The Times is mostly all opinion, not just on the opinion page.
Willo, you did leave out the main part of the AT piece, namely the Sherrod's suing the USDA and receiving millions of taxpayer money and Mr. Sherrod's very racist remarks. And that is "the rest of ther story".
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You mean the incident where the USDA mistreated black farmers for decades upon decades and then settled to avoid a long court fight that would have possibly resulted in the disbanding of the USDA?
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Posts: 3017 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 09:13 AM |
"I'm sorry for holding bloggers to traditional journalism standards of research. I realize that occasionally makes it hard for right wing bloggers to do their job of making the left look foolish."
Sort of like when CBS fell for and reported as genuine several forged military documents critical of GWB's service just prior to the 2004 elections. It seems to me he fits right in with the traditional media.
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Willo
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Posts: 1622 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 09:17 AM |
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Sort of like when CBS fell for and reported as genuine several forged military documents critical of GWB's service just prior to the 2004 elections. It seems to me he fits right in with the traditional media. |
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Dan Rather was discredited and fired.
Andrew Breitbart spoke at a tea party function Yesterday.
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Posts: 3017 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 09:41 AM |
"Dan Rather was discredited and fired."
I guess Dan Rather didn't have producers at 60 Minutes and The CBS Evening News who policed and approved content. Seems unlikely to me.
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Posts: 1547 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 09:54 AM |
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Don't scapegoat the jury. There are a number of other potential reasons they refused to indict other than the racism you may be implying. If you're interested I suggest to look into the book Jury Nullification by Clay Conrad. There is a full chapter dealing with this issue.
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swenocha
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Posts: 3440 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 12:24 PM |
I found this Newsweek interview interesting. I don't agree with how this thing started (IMHO the vid should have not been published without him first getting the unedited video in his possession), but I find myself agreeing that "I don’t think anybody looks particularly good in this thing."
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Posts: 1137 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 12:26 PM |
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I'm sorry for holding bloggers to traditional journalism standards of research. I realize that occasionally makes it hard for right wing bloggers to do their job of making the left look foolish.
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Now I just have to say that I don't want to hear about "right wing bloggers trying to make the left look foolish." Surely you know about the ideologically-driven reporters of JournoList? Some of the most well-known journalists are members of this now-defunct listserv.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList
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Posts: 3440 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 12:30 PM |
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Andrew Breitbart spoke at a tea party function Yesterday.
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I notice that you didn't mention what evil racist Tea Party function it was that he spoke at yesterday: It was the Uni-Tea minority-based Tea Party event. Pretty big of him, considering what a big racist he is, and considering he wants to put African Americans back into slavery and all....
So... exit question... What is your opinion of the minority tea party members that a) didn't cancel his invitation to speak after the Sherrod mess, and b) watched his speech and greeted him with warm applause? Discuss...
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Posts: 3017 | Posted: Aug 01, 2010 - 01:29 PM |
"You mean the incident where the USDA mistreated black farmers for decades upon decades and then settled to avoid a long court fight that would have possibly resulted in the disbanding of the USDA? "
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/07/27/pigford-v-glickman-86000-claims-from-39697-total-farmers/
Looks more like a shakedown to me.
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